My draw dropped open when Norman told me how much money in energy costs he saved a Brazilian company.

He and his team take a decidedly business approach to their environmental efforts.

And, Norman is quite articulate about the power of using your "breakdown" as your "breakthrough."

He details the time his hand went numb as well as when a friend called him for help.

Both stories remind us that Founders are not super human.

We need people and habits that support our wellbeing.

What started as a side hustle, caught him by surprise when Google reached out with an intriguing offer.

As a self-described, "not a people person," Abhinav realized that he had to recruit more experienced leaders and bring on team members who can do one thing well and really define their ares of scope much better.

Recruit and define...easier said thAn done. But, with over 400 team members and market value of $2 billion, Abhinav and his team figured it out.